Comments on: Jesus and Objective Truth https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/2013/04/16/jesus-and-objective-truth/ Official Blog of the Tyndale UC Philosophy Department Mon, 27 Apr 2015 16:51:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.com/ By: Rich Davis https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/2013/04/16/jesus-and-objective-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-32 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:29:53 +0000 https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/?p=413#comment-32 Mike —

I *did* ask that question. Your answer made good sense to me–that there would be a difference between how God’s actions have moral value and how ours do. That would follow a fortiori, it seems, if God were in some way the *source* of moral value.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback on the glare. I think we’ve taken care of that now! :-)) By the way, your new Oxford book is on its way from Amazon. I may blog in a friendly way about its various parts. I looked at the TOC and couldn’t resist the purchase! :-))

Cheers,
Rich

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By: Mike Almeida (@MikeAlmeida5) https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/2013/04/16/jesus-and-objective-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Thu, 18 Apr 2013 00:39:42 +0000 https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/?p=413#comment-31 Hi Rich,

Yes, weren’t you the one who asked whether I thought that, since God is free and His actions have moral value, He might freely do something immoral? I’m not sure what I said, that’s a difficult question for my view. Just by the way, I don’t know how you guys read white print on dark background. It’s challenging to fight off the glare! Keep up the good posts! — mike

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By: Belief, Trust, and Truth | Dead Heroes Don't Save https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/2013/04/16/jesus-and-objective-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 22:24:29 +0000 https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/?p=413#comment-30 […] Which brings us to their post which pulls it all together by tackling the questions – what is … […]

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By: Rich Davis https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/2013/04/16/jesus-and-objective-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 01:21:48 +0000 https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/?p=413#comment-26 Hi Mike! It is great to have you drop by. I saw your excellent talk at the Ryerson workshop. That was the highlight of the day for me.

I think you’re exactly right when you say “what you’re after is the idea that thinking or feeling that p is true is irrelevant to p’s truth.” That *was* what I was after! It just didn’t come out properly. I certainly don’t want to deny that there are facts about Jesus’ thoughts and feelings, and that these could serve to ground the truth of Jesus’ beliefs about what he’s thinking and feeling.

Thanks for your help getting clear about that!

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By: Mike Almeida (@MikeAlmeida5) https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/2013/04/16/jesus-and-objective-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 01:08:06 +0000 https://www.tyndalephilosophy.com/?p=413#comment-25 I’m in agreement with most of this, but the matter is subtle. You say “…to say that a proposition is objectively true is only to say that its truth obtains apart from what any of us thinks, feels, or believes”. That can’t be right. There is a fact of the matter about what you believe, and that is not independent of what you believe. There are facts about what Jesus felt in the garden, but that is not independent of what he felt. So, while I agree altogether that there is a fact of the matter about these things, and facts are objective things, it is really difficult to formulate objective truth in clauses about independence. Surely what you’re after is the idea that thinking or feeling that p is true is irrelevant to p’s truth, and that’s the case even when p’s truth depends on how one thinks or feels (because p is about how someone thinks or feels).

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